Re: Patent data re-visited

[Carl Malamud <xxxx@media.org>]

they are department of commerce, but you can't foia that stuff ... it  
is available and (according to them) the cost is the direct cost of  
duplication.  so, foia doesn't apply.  :)

Carl

On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Aaron Swartz wrote:

> what about some kind of foia? they're not DOC, right?
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Carl Malamud <xxxxxxx@media.org> wrote:
> > yeah, but if we do that, I want my pound of flesh as well ... there  
> > is no
> > reason to just fork over the money without causing a bit of a  
> > ruckus and
> > seeing of we can get the patent office into this business again ... I
> > suppose I could crawl them again.  It isn't that hard to do (but the
> > underlying xml sure would be nice).
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Aaron Swartz wrote:
> >
> > > seems like it just takes cash
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Carl Malamud <xxxxxxx@media.org> wrote:
> > > > i so much did not want to be back in the patent business.  that's  
> > > > why I
> > > > tried to ignore the binder issue.
> > > >
> > > > ok, this is pretty high on my list ...
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Aaron Swartz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > not that I know of. it sucks.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Carl Malamud <xxxxxxx@media.org>  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > well, this is annoying.  does anybody have full text of u.s.  
> > > > > > patents
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > 2002 on available for general use?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Dinesh B Vadhia" <xxxxxxx@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > Date: January 13, 2009 1:56:10 AM PST
> > > > > > To: "Carl Malamud" <xxxxxxx@media.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Patent data re-visited
> > > > > > Hi Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This might be useful to know wrt the US patents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The patents on http://bulk.resource.org/patent/us/ are full- 
> > > > > > Text/APS
> > > > > > format
> > > > > > files for the years 1976-2001 (inclusive).  These files are the
> > > > > > complete
> > > > > > patents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The USPTO site ftp://ftp.uspto.gov/pub/patdata/ contains patent  
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > the years 2002 to 2008 BUT they are only Bibliographic patent  
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > are defined as the information on the front page of each  
> > > > > > patent.  I've
> > > > > > checked a sample of these files and they are bibliographic patent
> > > > > > files.
> > > > > > Additionally, from 2002 these files changed format from APS to  
> > > > > > XML.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To obtain the full-Text/XML patent files for the years 2002 to  
> > > > > > 2008
> > > > > > costs
> > > > > > $1,300 per year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dinesh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Carl Malamud
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:59 AM
> > > > > > To: Dinesh B Vadhia
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Patent data
> > > > > > ftp://ftp.uspto.gov/pub/patdata/ doesn't do it for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Dinesh B Vadhia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, both the USPTO and freepatentsonline charge quite
> > > > > > > hefty sums for archived data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dinesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Carl Malamud
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:24 AM
> > > > > > > To: Dinesh B Vadhia
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Patent data
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The patent office was making bulk data available by ftp ...  
> > > > > > > I'd start
> > > > > > > with them and see what they have.  If they don't have it, you  
> > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > try freepatentsonline or one of the other services and see if  
> > > > > > > they can
> > > > > > > help you out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Dinesh B Vadhia wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Carl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just came across this truly wondeful site - what a treasure
> > > > > > > > trove!  On the patent page (http://bulk.resource.org/patent/?
> > > > > > > > C=N;O=A) it says that the patent data is from the period 1983  
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 2000.  How does one go about getting patent data to date?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank-you!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dinesh Vadhia
> > > > > > > > CEO
> > > > > > > > Xyggy Corporation
> > > > > > > > Mountain View, CA